[FOM] A question about infinite sets
Noah David Schweber
schweber at math.berkeley.edu
Mon Sep 17 01:13:00 EDT 2012
If I understand the recursion-theory version of the question correctly,
there can be no such pair of sets. For suppose C were an infinite r.e.
subset of AxB. Let C={c_0, c_1, . . .} be a computable enumeration of C,
and let c_i(0) (resp. c_i(1)) denote the left (resp. right) component of
c_i. Since C is infinite, one of the following sets must be infinite:
D:={c_i(0): i is a natural number} or E:={c_i(1): i is a natural number}.
Now D is clearly a subset of A, and E is clearly a subset of B, and D and
E are both r.e. since C is, so either A or B must have an infinite r.e.
subset.
- Noah Schweber
On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:15:30 -0400, Andrej Bauer <andrej.bauer at andrej.com>
wrote:
> In a recent MathOverflow question
>
>
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/107215/monomorphisms-from-natural-numbers-objects-into-products
>
> someone asked, in the context of topos theory, whether A or B must be
> infinite in order for the cartesian product to A x B to be infinite.
> Here "A is infinite" means "there is an injection N -> A". I showed
> that this need not always be so, but the question remained whether we
> can find a topos and non-infinite objects A and B such that A x B is
> infinite. I think we might be able to find such objects in the
> effective topos, but my recursion theory is not strong enough to
> answer the question. Perhaps someone on the list can do it.
>
> Let me translate into pure recursion theory. We seek two subsets A and
> B of the natural numbers, with the following properties:
>
> 1) There is no infinite r.e. subset of A.
> 2) There is no infinite r.e. subset of B.
> 3) There is an infinite r.e. subset of A x B = { <m, n> | m in A and n
> in B }, where <m, n> is a standard pairing.
>
> Are there two such sets?
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Andrej
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