[FOM] From Elena to Kieu through Toby Ord.
Tien D Kieu
kieu at swin.edu.au
Tue Apr 20 08:30:59 EDT 2004
1/ I have mentioned in my previous comments, in passing, that the energy-time
uncertainty relation is different from that of position-momentum. Even though
this is not related to the discussion at hand and only provides a distraction,
I just wish to clarify here that they are indeed different. On the one hand we
can derive the position-momentum uncertainty relation from the commutation
relation of the momentum and positions operators; on the other hand, there is
no time operator in quantum mechanics, so the two uncertainty relations are not
on the same footing. Indeed, the position-momentum uncertainty relation
concerns with the standard deviations of the measured values for position and
momentum (as each measurement would give a different values for the same
operator, be it position or momentum or energy). In contrast, the energy-time
relation concerns, beside the standard deviation in energy measurement, with
the duration of the measuring time: there is no time operator so there is no
*uncertainty* in measuring the time, in the sense of uncertainties in measuring
other observables in QM.
2/ Now to the energy-time relation, I maintain that it is not detrimental to my
algorithm. Taking the risk of repeating myself, I would like to stress that the
energy eigenvalues to be measured are integer-valued in some unit. Thus we only
need to obtain a standard deviation (in the energy measurement) sufficiently
small so that the various integer-valued eigenvalues can be distinguished. That
means finite (but small compared to one energy unit of the system) \Delta E,
which in turns only requires a finite measuring time, in accordance with the
energy-time uncertainty relation.
3/ With regard to some possible physical implementation of the required time-
dependent Hamiltonian, I have had in mind the use of quantum optics as
mentioned in the Int J Theo Phys paper of mine (see below). However, this may
not be the only method of implementation.
4/ Of course, I would love to see the algorithm implemented by myself or
someone. But, on the other hand, were Turing asked to implement his machines,
he would have still been at it. Nonetheless, our failure to implement a Turing
machine does not and cannot deny the importance of such machines. (No intention
or implication at all to compare myself and this great genius here, I only
bring this up to point out the unreasonableness of such request, at least at
5/ I don't see what is wrong with my numerical simulation for some Diophantine
equations, even though, as clearly stated, they are extremely simple.
6/ If my reply does not satisfy you, which I doubt that it would, then I would
urge you to publish your arguments in a formal paper or post them on the ArXiv,
as I have done with all of my papers, for the scrutiny of anyone interested. In
that way, a wider community would benefit, rather than restricting them to this
forum. This forum has a very important role in that it provides the means for
people to discuss, without being too formal, some issues which need
clarifications. But if the discussion leads to nowhere and if one is so
convinced of one's own arguments, it might now be the time to formalise the
arguments and publish them for the benefit of the many scientific communities
(in this case, those of mathematicians, physicists and computer scientists and
perhaps philosophers) and also for the permanent records.
7/ Some updates on the publications of mine on the topic:
· Contemporary Physics 44 (2003) 51- 71: Computing the Noncomputable.
· Int J Theo Phys 42 (2003) 1461 - 1478: Quantum algorithms for
Hilberts tenth problem.
· Proc Roy Soc A 460 (2004) 1535: A reformulation of Hilberts tenth
problem through Quantum Mechanics.
· in Proceedings of SPIE Vol. 5105 Quantum Information and Computation,
edited by Eric Donkor, Andrew R. Pirich, Howard E. Brandt, (SPIE, Bellingham,
WA, 2003), pp. 89-95, quant-ph/0304114: Numerical simulations of a quantum
algorithm for Hilberts tenth problem.
· quant-ph/0310052: Quantum adiabatic algorithm for Hilberts tenth
problem: I. The algorithm.
Lastly, I would like to take this opportunity to thank Toby Ord for bringing
the various comments about my work posted on FOM to my attention (I do
appreciate those comments very much, no one would like to see his or her work
ignored totally, without any feedback or input from others -- such silence can
be deafening), and for being a messenger in forwarding my comments to FOM. (I
have since registered with the forum and now should be able to post on the
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