FOM: Alice, Carol and Leibniz

Kanovei kanovei at
Mon Apr 15 12:52:51 EDT 2002

> From: "Dean Buckner" <Dean.Buckner at>
> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:42:04 +0100

> how do we know that two objects are not the same, if they are
> said identical in every conceivable way?

Can you give any clear example of 
*two objects ... not the same [but] identical in every conceivable way* 
Or you only mean here nonexistent entities like Alice which 
you grant properties favorable for your theories?

Examples like two electrons orbiting an atom of He 
are not convincing because while you don't look at the 
atom the fact that there is 2 orbiting electrons is nothing 
but a mathematical abstraction, what exists in reality is 
a certain field of some kind, 
anyway YOU DON'T KNOW is there still two or already 5 of them, 
but as soon as you deside to look at the atom in some microscop 
then the electrons become immediately distinguishable at this 
very moment because 
one of them is in the NW corner of the picture while the other 
is in the SE corner.  


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