FOM: 95:Most Mathematically Normal Independence from PA?

Harvey Friedman friedman at
Thu Oct 19 02:48:07 EDT 2000

The first clearly mathematical independence result from PA is in

J. Paris and L. Harrington, A mathematical incompleteness in Peano
arithmetic, in: Handbook for Mathematical Logic, edited by J. Barwise,
North-Holland, 1977, pp. 1133-1142.

Since then, a great many independence results from PA have been discovered,
some of which are arguably more mathematically normal than this first
example. This is a matter to which I have devoted a considerable amount of

In fact, the subsequence independence results from PA are sufficiently
interesting and varied that a major survey would be very timely.

In any case, I now present some new ones that look especially normal to me,
and hence the title.

We use N for the set of all nonnegative integers. For F:N^k into N and A
containedin N, write FA for {F(x_1,...,x_k): x_1,...,x_k in A}. We also
write A_i for the i-th element of A, where i >= 1. If i > |A| then A_i is

We start with an infinite theorem.

THEOREM 1. Let k,p >= 1. For all F:N^k into N there exists an infinite A
containedin [p,infinity) such that
FA intersect [0,A_1] containedin F{A_1,...,A_k}.

THEOREM 2. Let n >> k,p,r >= 1. For all F:[0,n]^k into N there exists A
containedin [p,n] of cardinality r such that
FA intersect [0,A_1] containedin F{A_1,...,A_k}.

Theorem 2 is independent of PA, and is provably equivalent to the
1-consistency of PA over EFA (exponential function arithmetic). Also, the
least n as a function of k,p,r eventually dominates every
<epsilon_0-recursive function.

We now give two weak versions of Theorem 2 with the same metamathematical

THEOREM 3. Let n >> k >= 1. For all F:[0,n]^k into [0,n] there exists A
containedin [1,n] of cardinality 2k such that FA intersect [0,A_1]
containedin F{A_1,...,A_k}.

THEOREM 4. Let n >> k >= 1. For all F:[0,n]^k< into [0,n] there exists A
containedin [1,n] of cardinality 2k such that |FA intersect [0,A_1]| <= 1.

In Theorem 4, E^k< is the set of all strictly increasing k-tuples from E.


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1:Foundational Completeness   11/3/97, 10:13AM, 10:26AM.
2:Axioms  11/6/97.
3:Simplicity  11/14/97 10:10AM.
4:Simplicity  11/14/97  4:25PM
5:Constructions  11/15/97  5:24PM
6:Undefinability/Nonstandard Models   11/16/97  12:04AM
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8.Schemes 11/17/97    12:30AM
9:Nonstandard Arithmetic 11/18/97  11:53AM
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11:F.O.M. & Math Logic  12/14/97 5:47AM
12:Finite trees/large cardinals  3/11/98  11:36AM
13:Min recursion/Provably recursive functions  3/20/98  4:45AM
14:New characterizations of the provable ordinals  4/8/98  2:09AM
14':Errata  4/8/98  9:48AM
15:Structural Independence results and provable ordinals  4/16/98
16:Logical Equations, etc.  4/17/98  1:25PM
16':Errata  4/28/98  10:28AM
17:Very Strong Borel statements  4/26/98  8:06PM
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23:Q-Systems and Proof Theoretic Ordinals  11/6/98  3:01AM
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